a bit of progress - Page 15

half baked · 02-06-2010, 06:47 PM

The biggest hassle with getting hudsons to take a lot of power is the input shaft to the transmission, stock 308's twist the shaft from time to time, so clearly it aint gonna cut it with the modified one in mine.... the wet clutch is also pretty oddball, but space is very tight if you want to upgrade, even more so in short wheel base and right hand drive cars (mine is both of those) but we were blessed with the Borg Warner T86 transmission from mid '52- '56, the 55 and 56 being nash based cars with a regular dry clutch, albeit in a longer bellhousing and a torque tube. i had the idea to run '55 clutch etc in my car. up to '52 was hudson's own gearbox, but the idea will still work out just the same.
the left is the standard '52- '54 input, right is the much larger (7/8" vs 1 1/8") '55-56

i had the first one i got done shortened and resplined. also the front oil supply hole is in a different spot and had it plugged/ drilled and the seal surface resized. it is longer than the '52 because i am using a '55 crank and flywheel- yes the starter fits both rear engine plates. up to '54 the input pilots in a bearing in the flywheel, '55/56 pilots in the crankshaft.

the front bearing retainer is a close fit! the hole in the throwout bearing needs to be larger than standard too. i have a '34 bearing in mine, the shoulders are squared and contact more of the pressure plate fingers than later ones.

these are the two special tools required to rebuild a T86- a piece of 3/4" round that is 7 5/64" long as a dummy countershaft so you can drop the cluster gear and a big chunk of steel to bolt to the output flange so you can undo the rear retaining nut.

half baked · 02-06-2010, 06:49 PM

the '55 flywheel has the correct pitch circle drilled already, but only uses half the bolts that the wet clutch pressure plate does

so you have some tapping and drilling to do

D'oh!

it all fits together!

one thing i havent had done yet is have the pressure plate machined down, the hudson cork disc is a lot thinner than one with a regular friction lining like you're used to seeing, the amount to take out is somewhere around 5/32"- 11/64" depending on what your replacement disc is like

half baked · 02-06-2010, 06:53 PM

i dont have any pictures of this box being apart but if you want a picture in your head, just think of the scariest nightmare you ever had recurring for 6 hours. this is the overdrive one, i also have a standard 3 speed that i learnt on first. for the input of this one i used a standard '54 input and had the end of it cut off and a different piece if shaft welded in place, 46mm longer than standard using a 10" dry clutch plate and 1 1/8" diameter. if you have a hudson gearbox, this is the way you must do it, ive never heard of any other shafts that are correct for them.

bigger brakes!

doors galore!

polished crank.... man the only time im ever gonna put myself through this again is when i go drag racing

half baked · 02-06-2010, 06:55 PM

drilled plates... racy!

waiting on all the engine rebuild parts to come.... seems like its taking a long long time

half baked · 02-08-2010, 10:29 PM

Old steve rang up, he has a flywheel for me and is chasing up a better rear axle. Thank fuck for steve!

Flying Tattooed Monkeys · 02-09-2010, 11:53 AM

Looks like you've been having lots of fun!
Nice to see you progressing.

Your pictures helped me identify a random gearbox i picked up in a pile of other boxes - seems i have a Hudson Box in my collection!
Cheers
Bret

half baked · 02-09-2010, 12:14 PM

Hudson boxes use a lever and a cable to shift. If it has two levers its a T86. 86s are stronger. If i blow one of those i'll try to find a T85.
Same bellhousings i take it? How is norway anyhow? My boss at my second job is going to europe around the time of the old style weekend and she reckons if she breaks up with her boyfriend she'll take me so who knows?

MOODSTER · 02-09-2010, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by half baked

Hudson boxes use a lever and a cable to shift. If it has two levers its a T86. 86s are stronger. If i blow one of those i'll try to find a T85.
Same bellhousings i take it? How is norway anyhow? My boss at my second job is going to europe around the time of the old style weekend and she reckons if she breaks up with her boyfriend she'll take me so who knows?

I like your optimism! LOL.

NOI53Y · 02-10-2010, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by half baked

she reckons if she breaks up with her boyfriend she'll take me so who knows?

Hahaha that's awesome.

Looks like you've been busy on the old girl. Looking good mate. CRAKK 2011 perhaps

half baked · 02-10-2010, 11:05 PM

Set of E38 charger (aus) Weber 45 DCOEs for $500. Kind of a score.... No linkages or manifold, but thats ok cos i'll need hudson stuff anyway

02-06-2010, 06:47 PM	#141
half baked Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: melb vic aus Posts: 711	The biggest hassle with getting hudsons to take a lot of power is the input shaft to the transmission, stock 308's twist the shaft from time to time, so clearly it aint gonna cut it with the modified one in mine.... the wet clutch is also pretty oddball, but space is very tight if you want to upgrade, even more so in short wheel base and right hand drive cars (mine is both of those) but we were blessed with the Borg Warner T86 transmission from mid '52- '56, the 55 and 56 being nash based cars with a regular dry clutch, albeit in a longer bellhousing and a torque tube. i had the idea to run '55 clutch etc in my car. up to '52 was hudson's own gearbox, but the idea will still work out just the same. the left is the standard '52- '54 input, right is the much larger (7/8" vs 1 1/8") '55-56 i had the first one i got done shortened and resplined. also the front oil supply hole is in a different spot and had it plugged/ drilled and the seal surface resized. it is longer than the '52 because i am using a '55 crank and flywheel- yes the starter fits both rear engine plates. up to '54 the input pilots in a bearing in the flywheel, '55/56 pilots in the crankshaft. the front bearing retainer is a close fit! the hole in the throwout bearing needs to be larger than standard too. i have a '34 bearing in mine, the shoulders are squared and contact more of the pressure plate fingers than later ones. these are the two special tools required to rebuild a T86- a piece of 3/4" round that is 7 5/64" long as a dummy countershaft so you can drop the cluster gear and a big chunk of steel to bolt to the output flange so you can undo the rear retaining nut. __________________ the girl servin' drinks is the only one i know Last edited by half baked; 02-06-2010 at 06:59 PM..

02-06-2010, 06:49 PM	#142
half baked Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: melb vic aus Posts: 711	the '55 flywheel has the correct pitch circle drilled already, but only uses half the bolts that the wet clutch pressure plate does so you have some tapping and drilling to do D'oh! it all fits together! one thing i havent had done yet is have the pressure plate machined down, the hudson cork disc is a lot thinner than one with a regular friction lining like you're used to seeing, the amount to take out is somewhere around 5/32"- 11/64" depending on what your replacement disc is like __________________ the girl servin' drinks is the only one i know Last edited by half baked; 02-06-2010 at 06:59 PM..

02-06-2010, 06:53 PM	#143
half baked Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: melb vic aus Posts: 711	i dont have any pictures of this box being apart but if you want a picture in your head, just think of the scariest nightmare you ever had recurring for 6 hours. this is the overdrive one, i also have a standard 3 speed that i learnt on first. for the input of this one i used a standard '54 input and had the end of it cut off and a different piece if shaft welded in place, 46mm longer than standard using a 10" dry clutch plate and 1 1/8" diameter. if you have a hudson gearbox, this is the way you must do it, ive never heard of any other shafts that are correct for them. bigger brakes! doors galore! polished crank.... man the only time im ever gonna put myself through this again is when i go drag racing __________________ the girl servin' drinks is the only one i know

02-06-2010, 06:55 PM	#144
half baked Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: melb vic aus Posts: 711	drilled plates... racy! waiting on all the engine rebuild parts to come.... seems like its taking a long long time __________________ the girl servin' drinks is the only one i know

02-08-2010, 10:29 PM	#145
half baked Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: melb vic aus Posts: 711	Old steve rang up, he has a flywheel for me and is chasing up a better rear axle. Thank fuck for steve! __________________ the girl servin' drinks is the only one i know

02-09-2010, 11:53 AM	#146
Flying Tattooed Monkeys Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 470	Looks like you've been having lots of fun! Nice to see you progressing. Your pictures helped me identify a random gearbox i picked up in a pile of other boxes - seems i have a Hudson Box in my collection! Cheers Bret __________________ I'd rather be forgotten, than remembered for giving in.

02-09-2010, 12:14 PM	#147
half baked Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: melb vic aus Posts: 711	Hudson boxes use a lever and a cable to shift. If it has two levers its a T86. 86s are stronger. If i blow one of those i'll try to find a T85. Same bellhousings i take it? How is norway anyhow? My boss at my second job is going to europe around the time of the old style weekend and she reckons if she breaks up with her boyfriend she'll take me so who knows? __________________ the girl servin' drinks is the only one i know

02-10-2010, 11:05 PM	#150
half baked Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: melb vic aus Posts: 711	Set of E38 charger (aus) Weber 45 DCOEs for $500. Kind of a score.... No linkages or manifold, but thats ok cos i'll need hudson stuff anyway __________________ the girl servin' drinks is the only one i know

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